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i will speak about what happened... my negative emotions create tulpas, or something like that, there is 3:, rage, fear, and guilty, and all those "tulpas" act autonomous from me and usually appear because of strong negative emotions, and when they appear the negative emotion i was feeling vanishes, the thing is:

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i was feeling guilty about a certain thing and then now there is this...thing

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guilt... i forgave myself but

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this thing is still fused to my wonderland body

Adeus.

i will speak about what happened... my negative emotions create tulpas, or something like that, there is 3:, rage, fear, and guilty, and all those "tulpas" act autonomous from me and usually appear because of strong negative emotions, and when they appear the negative emotion i was feeling vanishes, the thing is:

and they all appear in forms of shadows in our wonderland

Adeus.

this thing is still fused to my wonderland body

and sometimes it tries to go out of my wonderland body but i dont know if i should let it

Adeus.

i will speak about what happened... my negative emotions create tulpas, or something like that, there is 3:, rage, fear, and guilty, and all those "tulpas" act autonomous from me and usually appear because of strong negative emotions, and when they appear the negative emotion i was feeling vanishes, the thing is:

I have a similar experience with that, where a strong emotion created a headmate, but never heard that it can fuse with you

A long kiss goodnight

I'm sorry, I need more context. What do you mean by touch?

I mean hugs, kisses, holding hands, headpats... But you probably thought I might have aphantasia or something, don't you? Otherwise I don't know how I can elaborate more on touch. My imagination isn't consistent like physical touch, sometimes my brain cooperates and it's very good and sometimes it's bad. However it's not like I can't feel anything at all on bad days, so I think it boils down to both lacking physical touch and to some extent mental touch.

Adeus.

i will speak about what happened... my negative emotions create tulpas, or something like that, there is 3:, rage, fear, and guilty, and all those "tulpas" act autonomous from me and usually appear because of strong negative emotions, and when they appear the negative emotion i was feeling vanishes, the thing is:

If you struggle with intrusive thoughts I would advise to cease tulpamancy for now and focus on your mental health

9:33 AM

Your intrusive thoughts play as big if not bigger role in the process of creating tulpas (edited)

9:37 AM

It would be smart to stop labelling those experiences as „tulpas” and just treat it as emotions that need to be worked on

Deleted User

I mean hugs, kisses, holding hands, headpats... But you probably thought I might have aphantasia or something, don't you? Otherwise I don't know how I can elaborate more on touch. My imagination isn't consistent like physical touch, sometimes my brain cooperates and it's very good and sometimes it's bad. However it's not like I can't feel anything at all on bad days, so I think it boils down to both lacking physical touch and to some extent mental touch.

I guess we don't worry about that. You can always work on touch imposition, you will get better with practice. I was unsure if you were unable to immerse in wonderland, but aphantasia didn't cross my mind yet. (edited)

Adeus.

because...that happened with me

I agree with An there seems to be more at play here. I don't think you have the healthiest mindset for dealing with intrusive thoughts right now. Especially since I'm wondering...

Adeus.

why the fuck my emotions create thoughtforms

Is this where you got that idea from?

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Tulpamancy is sensitive to your mindsets. A very important rule #1 is you ultimately have control over your mind. You can grant your consent to your tulpa once you trust them, but otherwise, you have control over what's going on. Considering that... Three "emotion" based characters and one trying to "fuse" with you. First, you can remove the "fused entity" without consequence. It wasn't there to begin with. Second, you don't have to approve of this character's existence. You can just deny it

Intrusive thoughts are easier to manage once you understand what they are.

I find both of the answers I got a bit insulting, it's not like I can't think of "git gud lol", at least mention lucid dreaming if you guys are going to give that type of advice. I asked about coping in the first place anyways. It's not certain I can learn imposition, the only certain thing is it's going to take some time and I'm going continue feeling like this until then. I conclude this place can't be of much help.

I’m confused which part of what Ranger said was insulting

I'm sorry I didn't recognize the stakes of the situation. I think it's more helpful to have the mindset you can achieve something rather than you can't achieve something. The former we can give advice for, the latter is much harder to work with. I didn't give imposition advice right out of the gate because I assumed that wasn't the question. I can give you personal experiences we had with imposition, but I wouldn't call ourselves very good at imposition, much less imposition in general. If you want to read guides, Purlox's guide is really good. That all aside, what makes you think you can't learn imposition?

What makes you think anyone could learn imposition?

Based on our personal experience, we have achieved some imposition ability, especially with touch imposition. I also think imposition makes sense- people already naturally hallucinate when you do things like close your eyes and see the dots and colors on the back of your eyelids or spend too much time in a sensory deprivation chamber. If you can figure out how to recreate those experiences on purpose, you have achieved imposition.

I don't really see how you being able to do something means anyone can but to be clear I don't have a defeatist mindset. My question wasn't about imposition anyways, I was asking about emotionally dealing with being unable to impose.

I believe that the solution to your issue is learning how to impose. Grief is a difficult experience, and I don't want to tell someone to grieve when they may be much happier achieving that experience. In my mind, it's like telling someone how to cope with the fact they can't swim- even when they're perfectly capable of swimming. I don't think I'm doing you any favors if I gave you advice on how to cope when you can learn to impose. You said yourself you don't have aphantasia. That means you can visualize, even if your visualization needs work. If you can imagine things in your mind and imagine the sensation of touch, you can impose touch. Even if you did have aphantasia, you could still impose, it would just require a different approach like lucid dreaming. (edited)

What are you feeling because of being unable to impose?

OK, let's say I'm guaranteed to learn imposition in the future. But learning a skill doesn't happen overnight, I would still need to cope until I learn. If that makes sense? Sad, depressed.

Do you know why you feel that way about it? (edited)

In that sense, I would cope just by focusing on the fact I'm one step closer to achieving my goal. Every attempt towards imposition will help you get better at practicing imposition. I can't guarantee you won't have set backs, the learning curve isn't a straight line, but as you practice you will have a better sense of what works and what doesn't and you'll also be able to build on the progress you make. Another thing that came to mind is you can always substitute a pillow for your tulpa and cuddle them that way. Even just thinking about cuddling with them is a good place to start.

That sounds more helpful Ranger What are you up to An? (edited)

Ranger’s suggestion about a pillow is a good one. In my view, it doesn’t matter if everyone is able to learn imposition. Let’s say you won’t be able to learn imposition (Although in my opinion it’s a stretch and there is no reason to believe that). In that case, you feel strong emotions about the situation and it’s better to just address the distress sooner rather than later so you can feel better. On the other hand, if you are able to learn imposition but still feel distressed about not being able to impose right now, those emotions will slow down, stop, or sabotage any progress you would do if the distress wasn’t present. Which is why, in my opinion, you don’t lose anything by addressing the emotions first, understanding what you feel and why, and working towards not being so much affected by that. More than that, you would gain a lot, no matter if you are or are not capable of learning to impose. I know it’s easier said than done. That’s why I think the conversation at this point shouldn’t be about how to learn imposition or how to cope with not being able to impose, but about why you feel the way you do about your current circumstances. I hope that makes sense (edited)

Yeah, I noticed you were going for something like therapy. I think it would be more efficient if I do it by myself though, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to jump with you right now. How can I learn that sort of stuff? And thanks! (edited)

Have you tried imposing already? Seeing hallucinations of your tulpa's form is complicated on multiple levels but feeling your tulpa's presence in a certain space or feeling your tulpa's touch while touching a pillow should be quite easy.

1:22 PM

Giving your tulpa hugs, kisses, headpats, etc. is easy, just do it. Experiencing hallucinations and visualizing a detailed form is a hard part but you don't need that for fulfilling experience and making your tulpa happy.

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attachment

@A long kiss goodnight - jump So in the end "hard switching" isn't very useful, is it? I still think introducing such classification doesn't make much sense.

I disagree that specifying different switching experiences is useless. I would call Verple's hard switching "sensory switching", and I would consider "soft switching" as just being the headmate who's doing the majority of the thinking while possessing, if it's not possession (full-body) in its entirety. I do think possession and switching are different because the host is more or less manifesting unconsciously and can accidentally take over a lot (edited)

I agree with the fact that possession and switching are different. Possession happens when the current "thinker" is different then the current "pilot", you could say. "Soft switching" is changing the thinker without changing pilot and hard switching is changing the pilot and then the thinker, achieving the same in round-about way.

A long kiss goodnight

Is this where you got that idea from?

not really (edited)

2:33 PM

it just...happens

Alexia

I agree with the fact that possession and switching are different. Possession happens when the current "thinker" is different then the current "pilot", you could say. "Soft switching" is changing the thinker without changing pilot and hard switching is changing the pilot and then the thinker, achieving the same in round-about way.

have i been co fronting this whole time...

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or not

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wait do i need

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possession to do hard switching

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when i switch it feels as if im roleplaying as my tulpa but my emotions gender and etc change

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and im brazilian so my english is bad

possession to do hard switching

@Adeus. - jump First, you don't need to do hard switching to switch properly. The end result is the same regardless if you start with possession or not.

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when i switch it feels as if im roleplaying as my tulpa but my emotions gender and etc change

@Adeus. - jump And it feels like that for me too atm, it's perfectly fine

yes but i want to try doing a more...extreme form of switching

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isnt there really any way?

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im training to detach from the body senses

And what do you expect from that more extreme form of switching to give you?

i want it to feel more alive you know what i mean

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wait

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more extreme idk how to explain

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i know i am switching

So you expect more immersion?

yes

Then you need to find a way to attach more to your identity while switching. It makes switch more deep, not using possession at the start or not.

my identity or the tulpa identity

I'm sorry, I was lost if you're tulpa or host.

2:55 PM

But regardless of that, as a human, you need to attach more to tulpa's identity. Feel more like her and less like your host.

ok then thanks for the tips

Alexia

Have you tried imposing already? Seeing hallucinations of your tulpa's form is complicated on multiple levels but feeling your tulpa's presence in a certain space or feeling your tulpa's touch while touching a pillow should be quite easy.

Weirdly enough, I started with the visual imposition. I thought form would be like a building block to impose the touch on and also it would be easier to trick the mind if the visuals are already there. I didn't have much luck with it, not even blobs. I'm curious about your pillow method, do you feel like skin or hair when you touch your pillow? Or is it a shape thing like feeling the pillow is shaped like your tulpa when you hug it?

wtf happened (edited)

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i was having

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a daydream

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about wonderland

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and i was with my eyes closed (edited)

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but then i started to confuse my mind's eye with my real vision

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and couldnt distinguish between the two

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i felt like i slept for a few seconds

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im a bit sleepy now because of that (edited)

Weirdly enough, I started with the visual imposition. I thought form would be like a building block to impose the touch on and also it would be easier to trick the mind if the visuals are already there. I didn't have much luck with it, not even blobs. I'm curious about your pillow method, do you feel like skin or hair when you touch your pillow? Or is it a shape thing like feeling the pillow is shaped like your tulpa when you hug it?

@Deleted User - jump Primarily using a pillow is about triggering some form of feedback. You don't have to feel skin and hair but you feel some backpressure. Degree of immersion can differ depending on your predisposition and practice. But you don't need full immersion to have fun and interact with your tulpa.

Adeus.

wtf happened (edited)

You could have immersed yourself in wonderland by accident. I don't feel like I have enough information to say anything else right now

Adeus.

yes but i want to try doing a more...extreme form of switching

At this point, I am not comfortable teaching you how to sensory switch. I'm concerned you'll develop an unhealthy mindset about it and scare yourself (edited)

4:31 PM

I think you need to spend some more time with your tulpa and practicing tulpamancy first.

what type of unhealthy mindset

For instance, that you have no control over thoughtforms that decide to fuse with you. You don't have to let that happen if you don't want to

4:41 PM

most of the time when something that i dont want to happen end up happening i treat it as a intrusive thought

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and treat it as if its not real

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so i have control right ?

Yes

Adeus.

can a walk-in fuse with you

It's this question that particularly made me nervous. I think you need more time to figure out how certain things work, like walk-ins.

when a walk in appears

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i imagine a symbol that has a flash of light and then it makes the walk in dissapear

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idk how to explain it

I think you explained it well

I think that's a good mindset to have, but why didn't that work last time?

it did work at first but the creature comes back but i will try to treat it as a intrusive thought

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he dissapeared already (edited)

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but it had come back before because of some negative emotions

scratches head

he only appears now if i think of him

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if i dont he wont appear

A walk-in doesn't hold any power, appeared or not. If you are reminded of that walk-in, it may come back, but there's no need to panic.

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It can't do anything you don't want it to do, it's a spontaneous thought

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Making the walk-in go away is very good, but I want to follow that up with there's never a need to panic or fear the walk-in doing something you don't want

thanks for the tips

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sorry if i sound rude

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i dont really get english much

This conversation makes me more comfortable too. I want to wait a little bit, but after that I'm more open to teaching switching

i was using malfael switching guide